Yesterday evening my Doris sheepishly came to me with a page load of questions and answers from the Bible. The topic is pornography and the title question is: “What does the Bible say about pornography?”
Where did she get this? Inside a comment to her yesterday post on watchersweb.com — here’s the comment signed by “luvmatures.”
And because I read her, in the late mornings after breakfast, a chapter or two from the Bible, she asked me to provide my answers in our defence — because she felt targeted by this comment. So allow me to quote and debate at length before I’ll draw my conclusions in short.
Question: “What does the Bible say about pornography?”
Answer: By far, the most searched for terms on the internet are related to pornography. Pornography is rampant in the world today.
# Comment: Question: how rampant was pornography on the internet of “yesterday?” The quoted text assumes that we had the internet in place for, say, one hundred years and, suddenly, TODAY came pornography running rampant and tainting an “internet” that used to be so pristine for decades before “today.” Not so! Pornography used to be as rampant as the technological means of communication were at the given time in history. The extent of pornography “today” is determined by the extent of the internet. Men are biologically wired to admire the beauty of the female body ever since BEFORE the Garden of Eden (Genesis 1:27-28).
But should we stop a bit to analyse the meaning of the term “pornography” and we are about to splash into another sea of interpretations — the Ocean which is most open to human interpretation being the Holy Bible itself.
Pornography is a generic term encompassing a wide range of meanings. Detailed by Wikipedia as:
Pornography or porn is the explicit portrayal of sexual subject matter. Pornography may use a variety of media, including books, magazines, postcards, photos, sculpture, drawing, painting, animation, sound recording, film, video, and video games. The term applies to the depiction of the act rather than the act itself, and so does not include live exhibitions like sex shows and striptease. A pornographic model poses for still photographs. A pornographic actor or porn star performs in pornographic films. If dramatic skills are not involved, a performer in porn films may be also be called a model.
Pornography is often distinguished from erotica, which consists in the portrayal of sexuality with high-art aspirations, focusing also on feelings and emotions, while pornography involves the depiction of acts in a sensational manner, with the entire focus on the physical act, so as to arouse quick intense reactions. A distinction is also made between hardcore and softcore pornography. Softcore pornography can generally be described as focusing on nude modeling and suggestive, but not explicit, simulations of sexual intercourse, whereas hardcore pornography explicitly showcases penetrative intercourse. The consumers of porn (particularly hardcore) are assumed to be men, and thus most production targets their presumed tastes.
Pornography has often been subject to censorship and legal restraints to publication on grounds of obscenity. Such grounds and even the definition of pornography have differed in various historical, cultural, and national contexts. With the emergence of social attitudes more tolerant of sexuality and more specific legal definitions of obscenity, an industry for the production and consumption of pornography arose in the latter half of the 20th century. The introduction of home video and the Internet saw booms in a worldwide porn industry that generates billions of dollars annually.
# From this moderated definition we may notice the clear (to me at least) distinction between pornography, erotica, soft or hardcore and/or prostitution. Oh, mainstream porn blurred the lines to an extent where the amount of promiscuity gets pornography almost even with prostitution. This obliterates the newcomers such as home amateur porn, romantic porn and candid erotica, or whatever non-promiscuous segments involving solely nudity, voyeurism and exhibitionism, no intercourse and no fornication.
My wife Doris married me as a virgin and never cheated on me, neither did I allow her to fornicate. Which makes her a righteous and most blessed mother and wife. Plus, she is an example of devotion because, look, her husband asked her to cure him of warped porn fantasies and what she did was not bitching at him, not throwing a plethora of Bible quotes to prove his mistakes and crush him under her mighty thumb, but she gave herself to his game with total trust and unconditional love.
You’ll see below how she masters my mind from her submissive position.
Naturally that Mr. (or Mrs.?) luvmatures’ “one thing” comment stirred something in my soul. Namely the more or less veiled implication that my wife Doris is a promiscuous lady. She is not! And if other ladies opt for a promiscuous life, then I don’t condemn them because they have the freedom to do what they deem right, appropriate or acceptable with their own bodies and lives (Matthew 7:1-2).
Did Mr. (or Mrs.?) luvmatures apply his/her judgement question link to all the posters on watchersweb.com or just on the post of my wife? I, for one, searched to some extent and found only one such comment from luvmatures: on my wife’s post! Maybe I’m wrong in assuming that this comment was aiming at Doris on purpose.
Perhaps more than anything else, Satan has succeeded in twisting and perverting sex.
#Comment: Well, this (sex) is the “gate” that Lucifer initially used to gain our attention (Genesis 3:3). Thus the cheating sex issue is more than six thousand years old. Not news.
He has taken what is good and right (loving sex between a husband and wife) and replaced it with lust, pornography, adultery, rape, and homosexuality.
# Comment: He? Lucifer? Or us, people deciding for ourselves between good and wrong? Why do we jump to accuse the damned-one? Are we interested in the non-life of the errant daemon that has already been judged and condemned beyond time? He is but a shadow that we keep calling over and over — thus refueling a foregone bitter memory. Or are we here to deal with our own existential problems, with understanding and caring for our loved ones as much as for strangers?
Pornography can be the first step on a very slippery slope of ever-increasing wickedness and immorality (Romans 6:19).
# Comment: Indeed, same as engaging in politics, management, corporate careers, drinking, substance abuse, actually any kind of abuse. But let us paste the quote from Paul:
Romans 6:19 (ESV)
19 I am speaking in human terms, because of your natural limitations. For just as you once presented your members as slaves to impurity and to lawlessness leading to more lawlessness, so now present your members as slaves to righteousness leading to sanctification.
# Honestly, this quote is addressing promiscuous pornography as much as it addresses Ponzi schemes and promises of “hope and change.” Impurity and lawlessness is the cause of more lawlessness for everything regarding human behavior. Are we to list pornography above political perversion for instance? If not, then why quoting the Bible out of context? Sure, I’m saying this strictly to my personal understanding of the quote. Other persons may have a totally different list of priorities. I love them nonetheless.
The addictive nature of pornography is well documented. Just as a drug user must consume greater and more powerful quantities of drugs to achieve the same “high,” pornography drags a person deeper and deeper into hard-core sexual addictions and ungodly desires.
# Comment: Perfectly true. Other addictions humans are prone to: overeating, desire for power, lust for gossip, the unholiness of envy, being judgmental more on others and less on yourself, herbal or synthetic drugs, alcohol, sugars, tobacco, etc. etc.
The three main categories of sin are the lust of the flesh, the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life (1 John 2:16).
# Comment: Let’s see what exactly John writes:
1 John 2:16 (ESV)
16 For all that is in the world—the desires of the flesh and the desires of the eyes and pride of life—is not from the Father but is from the world.
# Wondering Who built the woman — Eve (Genesis 2:22) — “and brought her to the man” to be his faithful and most beautiful companion in his journey throughout this valley of tears that we call history. But when built, Eve was secluded apart from the satanic shrewdness that she acquired in Genesis 3:6. Sure, she was dumb and easily fell to the seduction of a person OTHER than her man. And bang, her innocence went astray once she ate (consumed) the cunning information from Lucifer’s mind — thus the cluelessness vanished out of her mind, giving her ideas on how to cheat on her husband (including, but not limited to, touching another person). We’re mentioning here the original sin — that one which broke Adam’s direct relationship with his Creator. As the source of all future sins, this matter profoundly reverberates on every aspect of our fallen lives. Parading it in the case of pornography is like parading the earthquake and tsunami in Japan, that provoked the disaster at Fukushima, as a potential ecological threat to Germany’s nuclear power plants. In one word: scaremongering! It worked with Germany and it works with porn — but it’s more than a stretch, to put it politely.
What the original sin brought in our lives is the disease called aging and its final stage: death. And, if not for some inventive maniacs, everyone should slowly and painfully age before passing away. Otherwise put: there are huge crimes and catastrophes tormenting the human tragedy (comedy?) before we may touch base with the original sin on the preferential topics of debate heard at the anti-porn crusaders’ lunch.
Pornography definitely causes us to lust after flesh, and it is undeniably a lust of the eyes.
# Comment: I, for one, always lust for the flesh of my wife Doris, undeniably with my eyes, for a starter. Like any other men, I can lust with the eyes for any beautiful woman. Exacerbating this eye-lust definitely makes the point of the anti-porn crusaders. But I don’t get the message that Mr. (or Mrs.?) luvmatures wanted to send Doris when posting the aforementioned link to her WW post. We all know that men eye-lust for women. This is not news. But what’s the news then? What’s aiming this “One thing” comment at? That Doris’ man would eye-lust for other women? Or that other women’s men are eye-lusting for Doris’ flesh?
The former is simple: when I do eye-lust for the gorgeous body of a woman, then I tell Doris, sharing the topic with her. Doing this because she’s my best friend, my confident, my faithful wife, the mother of my children, my lovely bunny. And you know what? She’s not jealous. She knows the male psyche better than I do. This is how she succeeded to conquer every corner of my lusting mind. SHE IS MY PORN! Can I coin Platonic-lust as a term describing a man’s uninterested admiration for the God-made beauty of the generic woman body?
The latter is even simpler: why did I support Doris with her adult startup sites? Because we must make ends meet. Corporate crap is more cunning than internet porn. Small business has been qualified as “doing fine” but I can tell you that it’s not. Because the parasitic socialistic ueber-system must suck someone’s blood, and the middle class seems to be the prime candidate. I can tell you that NO WOMAN would put her pussy on display if not for money! We are both pushing 50 and our college education is not sufficient to pay the bills. This possibly because we refused to pervert our souls with some “clean” non-adult jobs. Hence we found that opening an adult site can be a CLEANER business than other mainstream businesses.
Pornography definitely does not qualify as one of the things we are to think about, according to Philippians 4:8.
# Comment: Dang. Mr. Girolamo Savonarola!
Can we burn all the paintings, the video tapes, CDs and then blow up the fiber and servers of Google?
But let’s see what Paul wrote in the mentioned Bible verse:
Philippians 4:8 (ESV)
8 Finally, brothers, whatever is true, whatever is honorable, whatever is just, whatever is pure, whatever is lovely, whatever is commendable, if there is any excellence, if there is anything worthy of praise, think about these things.
# Good, excellent counsel directly from our Lord. Let’s think about the worthy things. I sport for these all the time. Notice the verb “sport” — it means that I effort to think of the high things because gravity pulls my mind to earth by default. So I think ALSO about lower things because I’m a fallen man. My life is a sine, or a cosine — here’s the link, not to confound with sin — add an ending ‘e’ to it:
Wish the hyperbolic thinkers Godspeed on their endeavor, and take care not to fall upwards… could be worse than falling downwards.
Pornography is addictive (1 Corinthians 6:12; 2 Peter 2:19),
# Comment: Let’s read Paul’s and Peter’s texts:
1 Corinthians 6:12 (ESV)
12 “All things are lawful for me,” but not all things are helpful. “All things are lawful for me,” but I will not be dominated by anything.
2 Peter 2:19 (ESV)
19 They promise them freedom, but they themselves are slaves of corruption. For whatever overcomes a person, to that he is enslaved.
OK, still have to find an express ban on moderate erotica. I know that when you have a hammer in your hand then everything looks like a nail to you. But honestly, these Bible quotes are worth quoting when you campaign against smoking as well. I truly adhere to them.
and destructive (Proverbs 6:25-28; Ezekiel 20:30; Ephesians 4:19).
# Comment: The texts:
Proverbs 6:25–28 (ESV)
25 Do not desire her beauty in your heart, and do not let her capture you with her eyelashes; 26 for the price of a prostitute is only a loaf of bread, but a married woman hunts down a precious life. 27 Can a man carry fire next to his chest and his clothes …
Aha, what’s a prostitute? Prostitution is the act or practice of providing sexual services to another person in return for payment.
As she specifically stated on her site at DorisDawn.com — Doris is not even doing web cams for this very reason: no online sex and no sex whatsoever with other men than her husband. What’s wrong with you, Mr. (or Mrs.?) luvmatures?
Ezekiel 20:30 (ESV)
30 “Therefore say to the house of Israel, Thus says the Lord God: Will you defile yourselves after the manner of your fathers and go whoring after their detestable things?
# As a constant Bible reader, I interpret this verse as follows: the House of Israel went whoring with idols and wannabe-gods of the land, thus turning their back to the True One God Who took them out of Egypt under His High Hand. Ezekiel is told to speak and write down about His disgust at seeing how His people cheat on Him. It’s a matter between God and His people. A terrible matter for sure but not a pornographic one.
Ephesians 4:19 (ESV)
19 They have become callous and have given themselves up to sensuality, greedy to practice every kind of impurity.
# Right, the hammer finally hit the nail. An excess of sensuality, like any excess, leads to scarcity in one’s connection with the Upper Levels. But again, I still have to find another adult site where the nude model professes that she is a Christian and seeks to educate users into moderation on porn watching. Is preaching moderation a bad thing? And let me tell you something: when I had manly moments of too much sensuality then it was my Doris who gently helped me overcome them — definitely not by bitching at me with out-of-context Bible quotes that she would pick to fit her own female desires and particular purposes. Nope! She sacrificed her ego in order to sustain her man.
Lusting after other people in our minds, which is the essence of pornography, is offensive to God (Matthew 5:28).
# Comment: Bible text:
Matthew 5:28 (ESV)
28 But I say to you that everyone who looks at a woman with lustful intent has already committed adultery with her in his heart.
# Indeed, Jesus tells us that we have the instant power to taint our hearts with promiscuous thoughts of mating with perfect strangers. For many unsuspecting persons, there’s a quantum leap from a whim of the heart to the mental decision for action and, sadly, to regrettable acts. It is about chemistry, the hormones, particularly the pheromones (a woman can mind-rape a male with her scent if she wants). Hence Jesus teaches us how to think preemptively and defend ourselves from being mind-raped by women. Men of the special forces are trained to distinguish friend (innocent) from foe on a whim. So does Christ with His men in the above verse from Matthew.
Internet pornography offers a man the perfect protection: no proximity, no pheromones, no scent, no danger!
Go figure, I know Doris for over 25 years now, been married to her for over 24, and did not touch another woman. Plus, I’m daily looking at lots of women in the nude, to study her competition, and I don’t have any urge to lust after them. Her love and dedication and utter graciousness make her UNIQUE to me! So, Mr. (or Mrs.) luvmatures, what motivation made up your mind to deliver that link on my wife’s WW post?
When habitual devotion to pornography characterizes a person’s life, it demonstrates the person is not saved (1 Corinthians 6:9).
# Comment: Paul’s verse:
1 Corinthians 6:9 (ESV)
9 Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: neither the sexually immoral, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor men who practice homosexuality,
Good, the Kingdom of God is the Ultimate. When praying, I asked Him if there are vassal kingdoms where we can take refuge because of our many sins? He indicated that there are many sub-kingdoms to suit the warped ones like me, who may overwhelm in numbers the fewer righteous ones, separated and selected to live in His Ultimate City. Heavens run on stages, more so than the earthly society (John 14:2).
But hang on a little, here’s another Bible translation of the same verse:
1 Corinthians 6:9 (KJV)
Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,
Comparing the two, I found that this sequence: “neither the sexually immoral” is translated in KJV as “neither fornicators.” This is a great deal because exhibing nude on the internet can be deemed as sexually immoral by some prudish standards (not everywhere in Europe, though) but being a fornicator brings in another dimension: that of the adulterous woman and/or cuckoldry. None applies to Doris. And even for women practicing these, Christ had already given His forgiveness and a ticket to His Kingdom (Luke 7:47;). So – again – who are you Mr. (or Mrs.?) luvmatures to comment and judge my wife, questioning her salvation?
For those involved in pornography, God can and will give the victory.
# See? Told you so!
Are you involved with pornography and desire freedom from it?
# Yes, I am involved with pornography and already gained my freedom within it, by moderation. This balance was given to me by my wife and I still have to find out what Mr. (or Mrs.) luvmatures intended by posting the uncomfortable comment generating all this debate.
Here are some steps to victory: 1) Confess your sin to God (1 John 1:9).
# Checked, confessed to God, to Doris and on the public internet, years before.
2) Ask God to cleanse, renew, and transform your mind (Romans 12:2).
# Asking Him every morning and evening, casually during the day as well.
3) Ask God to fill your mind with Philippians 4:8.
# Paul’s text:
Philippians 4:8 (ESV)
8 Finally, brothers, whatever is true, whatever is honorable, whatever is just, whatever is pure, whatever is lovely, whatever is commendable, if there is any excellence, if there is anything worthy of praise, think about these things.
# Excellent. Checked!
4) Learn to possess your body in holiness (1 Thessalonians 4:3-4).
# Paul’s text:
1 Thessalonians 4:3–4 (ESV)
3 For this is the will of God, your sanctification: that you abstain from sexual immorality; 4 that each one of you know how to control his own body in holiness and honor,
# Same text of Paul’s, other Bible translation:
1 Thessalonians 4:3–4 (KJV)
1Th 4:3 For this is the will of God, [even] your sanctification, that ye should abstain from fornication:
1Th 4:4 That every one of you should know how to possess his vessel in sanctification and honour;
# Heck, man! (or woman!) Are you playing with God’s words? Again your version of “sexual immorality” is found to be “fornication.”
To get it straight if my Middle European English is not quite on the spot here, I googled it:
Definition for fornication:
voluntary sexual intercourse between persons not married to each other.
Now will you be so kind and tell me where soft erotic nude posing fits in all of this?
Sure, I can dig for the Strong numbers to present precisely what Paul wrote in Ancient Greek. Let’s talk Greek now:
Strong’s G4202 – porneia
Part of Speech
Outline of Biblical Usage:
1) illicit sexual intercourse
a) adultery, fornication, homosexuality, lesbianism, intercourse with animals etc.
b) sexual intercourse with close relatives; Lev. 18
c) sexual intercourse with a divorced man or woman; Mk. 10:11,12
2) metaph. the worship of idols
a) of the defilement of idolatry, as incurred by eating the sacrifices offered to idols
Translating the above as “sexual immorality” is a purposeful extrapolation.
5) Understand the proper meaning of sex and rely on your spouse alone to meet that need (1 Corinthians 7:1-5).
1 Corinthians 7:1–5 (ESV)
7 Now concerning the matters about which you wrote: “It is good for a man not to have sexual relations with a woman.” 2 But because of the temptation to sexual immorality, each man should have his own wife and each woman her own husband. 3 The husband should …
In the KJV translation:
1 Corinthians 7:1–5 (KJV)
1Cr 7:1 Now concerning the things whereof ye wrote unto me: [It is] good for a man not to touch a woman.
1Cr 7:2 Nevertheless, [to avoid] fornication, let every man have his own wife, and let every woman have her own husband.
1Cr 7:3 Let the husband render unto the wife due benevolence: and likewise also the wife unto the husband.
1Cr 7:4 The wife hath not power of her own body, but the husband: and likewise also the husband hath not power of his own body, but the wife.
1Cr 7:5 Defraud ye not one the other, except [it be] with consent for a time, that ye may give yourselves to fasting and prayer; and come together again, that Satan tempt you not for your incontinency.
# Sure, same mistranslated quote: “sexual immorality” = “fornication.” It’s appalling to see how Satan gets us lost in translations. Sigh…
6) Realize that if you walk in the Spirit, you will not fulfill the lusts of the flesh (Galatians 5:16).
# Paul’s text:
Galatians 5:16 (ESV)
16 But I say, walk by the Spirit, and you will not gratify the desires of the flesh.
# Let’s put this in Paul’s context:
14 For the whole Law is fulfilled on one word, in this: “You shall love your neighbor as yourself.” Lev. 19:18
15 But if you bite and devour one another, be careful that you are not consumed by one another.
16 But I say,Walk in the Spirit, and you will not fulfill the lust of the flesh.
17 For the flesh lusts against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh; and these are contrary to one another; lest whatever you may will, these things you do.
18 But if you are led by the Spirit, you are not under Law.
19 Now the works of the flesh are clearly revealed, which are: adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lustfulness,
20 idolatry, sorcery, enmities, fightings, jealousies, angers, rivalries, divisions, heresies,
21 envyings, murders, drunkennesses, revelings, and things like these; of which I tell you beforehand, as I also said before, that the ones practicing such things will not inherit the kingdom of God.
22 But the fruit of the Spirit is: love, joy, peace, long-suffering, kindness, goodness, faith,
23 meekness, self-control. Against such things there is not a law.
24 But the ones belonging to Christ crucified the flesh with its passions and lusts.
25 If we live in the Spirit, let us also walk in the Spirit.
26 Let us not become vainglorious, provoking one another, envying one another.
# Paul paints the cave we fell in from the original sin and, few lines later, he also indicates the light at the end of this tunnel. It’s the history of our human condition condensed in few verses, and the solution to it. Just wondering about one who walks in the Spirit, tasting its fruit of “love, joy, peace, long-suffering, kindness, goodness, faith, meekness, self-control,” wondering what is the need of hiding his or her beautiful body beneath clothes? First coverings appeared around the waists of Adam and Eve in Genesis 3:7. Why around the waist? Maybe to cover the genitals. Why the genitals and not the breasts, hands, feet, face? Could be that there was the spot of entry for the sin. Which sin caused shame and brought the ensuing laws upon us. About which laws Paul finally informs us that “Against such things [the fruit of the Spirit] there is not a law.”
Looks like graphical nudity was the norm before the original sin and had to be banned because of all the nonsense injected in Eve’s flesh by the deceiver.
7) Take practical steps to reduce your exposure to graphic images.
# If you’re a monk, or a nun, in order to keep up with your vows, by all means you must do that. Alas not everyone is a monk and monks, or nuns, are the most understanding and peaceful persons on earth, not accusing others of intricate implications for the mere fact that they are not perfect. Or because they are different.
Install pornography blockers on your computer,
# Google safety filters (and other search engines for that matter) are the good enough porn blockers. Other blocking software is a waste of money and a PITA. If a smart user wants to circumvent it, there’s no blocker to stay in the way of the user. You are more than your machine!
limit television and video usage,
# Totally agree. TV broadcasts are looking to brainwash you. So take your freedom in your own hands and browse the web for unrestricted and contradictory answers to your questions. Learn to discern, compare, analyze and practice critical thinking. There’s nothing stronger than Faith explained by reason.
and find another Christian who will pray for you and help keep you accountable.
# Accountable? Sounds like the Inquisition. OK, here’s my take on Christians: there are cult-Christians — the ones holding each other accountable for this or that; and there are free-Christians — ones that simply rejoice in loving their neighbors (Platonic lustless love) and spouses (spiritual AND lusting love) and, where the case, spouses and mistresses.
I, for one, find that — placed in context — pornography is a lesser issue than the following: fast food, the sugar industry, political compulsive perversion and financial treacherous schemes, rough people living with the sole purpose of hurting others, killing as a sport.
Problems more serious than pornography are:
1. Hatred of the Man Jesus. From this derive:
2. Judgmental tribalism, justification for collective thinking, which is sanctioning witch hunts and sustains the moral police.
3. Institutional systemic perversion of the God-given love for thy neighbor — this in order to chain people down to depend on a system believed to “do no evil.” There’s no such thing. Sorry, Google.
What one needs to be saved is Faith, Hope and Love (1 Corinthians 13:13). These three allow the person to collect and send his/her feedback to the Lord’s Message which is constantly pouring on us whether we have or not Faith, Hope and Love.
In my personal interpretation, the Bible has no particular condemnation of voyeurism and exhibitionism BEYOND a measure of common sense (which may differ from the puritan parts of America to the FKK enclaves of Europe). As for the fornicators, adulterers, etc. etc. the Bible informs us how Christ Jesus saved them on a whim (Mark 10:27) and this is example enough that any sinner can be saved at a sigh (or two).
The root of all evil emerges when you renounce your Uplink, when you give up your connectivity and trust yourself more than you trust your Creator. This illusion cannot work. Why? Because you just broke with Reality.